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Wine & Dine
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Rehan Mehta, 31
East seventh Pizza & Deli
Location: Colaba
Speciality: Pizzas, sandwiches, burgers, puddings
Rehan, inform me about your journey as a chef.
The primary time I went to cooking college was after I completed my education in Mumbai. I had taken a spot yr in 2010 and I did a three-month course at Le Cordon Bleu London. That have truly made me not wish to develop into a chef so I went to a liberal arts faculty within the US, the place I graduated in psychology.
In my third yr in school, I occurred to look at a video of Anthony Bourdain (the late movie star chef and journey documentarian) and David Chang (restaurateur and tv persona) consuming at certainly one of Chang’s New York eating places. That made me wish to return to cooking. In truth, I felt like I simply couldn’t do the rest! I enrolled within the cooking college David Chang had been to, which was the French Culinary Institute in New York. I had found a course that might enable me to take six months off from faculty, come again and nonetheless graduate on time. I cherished it there.
The way in which it labored in America on the time was that I had three months to discover a job after commencement. So I utilized to a bunch of locations. Lastly, through Craigslist, I obtained a job as a pastry cook dinner at Momofuku Milk Bar in New York (now referred to as Milk Bar), despite the fact that it wasn’t what I had particularly educated in. I used to be making cookies, desserts and bread and I nonetheless suppose it’s the perfect job I’ve ever had. Sadly, I needed to depart after a yr as a result of they have been unable to sponsor my work visa.
Once I returned to Mumbai in 2015, I used to be given a job within the pastry division wherever I utilized due to my expertise at Momofuku Milk Bar. My first job was in Colaba on the modern-American restaurant Ellipsis (now shut), headed by Chef Kelvin Cheung. Chef Kelvin was a Milk Bar fan so he was eager to have me onboard. Sadly, he left the restaurant six months after I joined.
Then, in September 2016, I joined Masque in Mahalaxmi in Mumbai. Chef Prateek Sadhu and co-owner Aditi Dugar obtained in contact with me whereas the restaurant was nonetheless below building. Even on my first go to, I might inform the kitchen and the house have been going to be particular. The primary yr of Masque was actually attention-grabbing however we have been struggling to determine our model or what might make it distinctive. Finally, Chef Prateek began digging deeper into his personal Kashmiri roots, and that’s when it actually took off. It made extra sense as a result of it was private and culturally related moderately than simply making an attempt to be like many different Scandinavian-inspired tasting menu eating places. What I loved most from my time there was the truth that the cooks would serve all of the dishes and obtained to work together with the purchasers, who have been often keen about meals, and that made it enjoyable. We additionally had quite a lot of freedom to work on new dishes which saved issues attention-grabbing.
Later, I grew disillusioned with nice eating. I used to be eager on beginning one thing that would feed much more individuals. I considered opening a sandwich store. I did a number of pop-ups and began searching for places however nothing labored out. On the similar time, I heard concerning the legendary chef Rahul Akerkar opening a brand new restaurant (Qualia) and I utilized for a place within the scorching kitchen. I used to be chargeable for the pasta part, which was superb as a result of I like working with dough and the pasta turned actually fashionable.
What led you to start out a cloud kitchen and the way did you plan to face out?
Quickly after I left Qualia, the pandemic struck, which rekindled the thought of a sandwich store since individuals have been hungry for well-executed consolation meals. There wasn’t actually a Western-inspired sandwich tradition in Mumbai on the time however as a result of individuals obtained into baking bread through the lockdown, a sandwich tradition was certain to observe.
My authentic sandwich store thought advanced to incorporate pizza. My considering was that pizza and sandwiches go hand in hand. I had eaten quite a lot of nice pizza throughout my time in New York, which obtained me obsessed — and through the pandemic I began playing around with it, making it at dwelling for my household. It was a no brainer to start out as a cloud kitchen on the time as a result of if there had been one other lockdown, you’ll be caught paying lease for a restaurant with out anybody coming in there. I discovered a spot in Colaba in December 2021.
How did you go about organising your operations? What did you herald from previous expertise?
It took me three months to arrange the place. I used to be very finicky concerning the kitchen being a sure method. I needed to discover the suitable oven. I knew I didn’t need a wood-fired oven, I wished an electrical one. In New York, most of my favorite pizza locations used electrical ovens. Wooden fireplace could be very charming, however I don’t suppose it provides a lot when it comes to style. I really feel like you probably have the suitable electrical oven, the pizza can style simply nearly as good and it’s much more constant, which is essential. Whenever you’re making an attempt to churn the pizzas out actually quick and have 10 to fifteen orders at a time, that wood-fired oven goes to be a ache and possibly a number of usually are not going to be nearly as good as the remaining as a result of it’s so exhausting to take care of and management the warmth, in contrast to electrical ovens.
Having mulled over the thought of the sandwich and pizza store for thus lengthy, what has the menu improvement course of been like?
Once I began engaged on the recipes, I believed it might take possibly a number of weeks or a month, however it took me 5 months simply to determine a pizza dough that I used to be pleased with. I did virtually 100 trials. I used to be simply making pizza each day and making an attempt to determine it out. I by no means imagined how sophisticated it might be, provided that it’s simply 4 substances that you simply’re working with. However, the best way you combine these substances, the proportions, how a lot water you add, which flour you employ, how lengthy you ferment it — all these wanted to be found out. Lastly, I settled on a dough after trial quantity 96. I wished to simplify the dough course of as a result of it’s essential for my group to have the ability to execute it in addition to I might. That’s the reason I dominated out a sourdough pizza dough as a result of it has an excessive amount of margin for error. Now, we’re on pizza dough trial quantity 103. The pizza dough recipe continues to be referred to as a trial, despite the fact that we’ve been open for a yr. And we preserve making changes in step with modifications within the climate to get that excellent mild and ethereal but crispy pizza crust.
Subsequent got here the sandwich bread. We have been outsourcing the bread initially however the numbers didn’t work out. It was simpler to choose a recipe, however it nonetheless took a number of trials. We use a Vietnamese Bánh mì-style baguette. In comparison with a French baguette, it has a really skinny crust and a fluffy inside. The sandwiches obtained loads higher after we began making our personal bread.
The one factor I knew I had to determine was dessert. Most pizza locations serve dough balls with Nutella and stuff like that. However I wished one thing lighter. I believed an American-style pudding would match the invoice. Our lemon cheesecake and chocolate puddings do very well. We had a strawberries-and-cream pudding and one with mango, which have been seasonal and actually fashionable. We’re utilizing fancy vanilla beans, however in addition to that they’re primarily fruity, creamy and crunchy.
You set out a job opening on Instagram someday again and it communicated loads concerning the work tradition you are attempting to each desist from and construct. Was that intentional?
Most eating places I’ve labored at, the hours have been very lengthy, which has been the benchmark on this trade for ages. However I knew I didn’t wish to do this. If I used to be doing that and we have been profitable and getting cash, I might have nonetheless thought-about it a failure as a result of an overworked group just isn’t an indication of success. To me, it makes monetary sense as effectively. In the event you push individuals so exhausting, they’re simply going to get burnt out and depart in a number of weeks or months, or a yr. I might moderately have individuals stick round for the lengthy haul, be joyful, go dwelling and never take into consideration work.
That’s why, in that hiring put up, I used to be specific that our shift lasts 10 hours solely. In actuality, it’s solely 9 hours, however I’ve accounted for some further time ought to we often want it. Now, after operating this place for a yr and seeing how tough it’s to really earn a living, I see why different restaurateurs demand such lengthy hours from their groups. If restaurant gross sales usually are not reaching their goal, the administration someway feels that making individuals work longer hours will increase gross sales. Nonetheless, whereas gross sales would possibly improve within the brief time period, if targets usually are not met, it’s extra seemingly that there’s a drawback with the product or expertise.
Had been you additionally intending to provide your clients an perception into what sort of cloud kitchen it’s and the type of individuals which are making the meals?
That’s not why I posted it and I didn’t give it some thought on the time. I used to be simply making an attempt to rent a very good candidate. However, after all, if I have been to see a enterprise posting one thing like this, I might be extra more likely to strive the meals and would attempt to order usually. Our restaurant trade doesn’t have the perfect repute. So, anybody who is aware of something about what goes on behind the scenes can be joyful for issues to alter for the higher.
Who’s your typical buyer?
Sadly, most of our orders come from Swiggy and so they don’t share buyer information. It’s secure to guess that most people ordering from us are type of like pizza nerds, which appears to be each third individual these days. Most of our meals is New York-influenced. Those that’ve by no means had this type of meals are eager to strive it. And those that have been to New York or Philadelphia and have had a cheesesteak sandwich, for instance, may also wish to relive that have.
I’ve additionally deliberately not marketed East seventh Pizza & Deli loads as a result of I’m nonetheless tweaking issues. I really feel prefer it’s at all times a piece in progress and I’m type of a perfectionist; and I say that within the worst attainable method. I’ll preserve procrastinating with the advertising as a result of I feel possibly pizza dough trial 104 or 105 would be the excellent one after which we are able to actually push our advertising. At present, advertising has primarily been by phrase of mouth.
Is that additionally a results of the title East seventh Pizza & Deli? Your official firm title can also be attention-grabbing.
You would say that. Our official firm title is Very Informal Meals. I got here up with that title after leaving Masque as a result of I used to be simply so uninterested in nice eating. It’s humorous to say that now, since Masque is without doubt one of the greatest eating places in India. I see myself sticking with quick informal or informal eating places with thoughtfully executed and ingredient-driven meals.
The title East seventh was impressed by the road I lived on in New York. Whereas I used to be in cooking college, I lived on East seventh Avenue between 1st Avenue and Avenue A, which is within the East Village. And that one avenue had a lot good meals! You would stroll down the road in 90 seconds however it had quite a lot of nice tiny institutions. And every of them specialised in only one or two issues. There was Luke’s Lobster, which made simply seafood sandwiches. There was a Venezuelan arepas place. The constructing I lived in had an Italian sandwich store referred to as Porchetta, which simply made a roast pork sandwich. Throughout the road was this soft-serve place referred to as Large Homosexual Ice Cream, which offered actually funky tender serve. After which there was a Chinese language teahouse the place I might sit and drink tea. That avenue actually impressed me.
How would you describe what a deli is?
Within the New York sense, it’s your native sandwich place the place you decide lunch up on a piece day however it additionally might be the place you go to get fundamental groceries, possibly even some baked items, with out having to make a visit to the grocery store. Inside that, there are the bodega-style delis, the place the sandwiches are made merely, utilizing simply packaged substances. Then there are the old-school delis, which make every little thing from scratch, like Katz’s Deli, which is known for pastrami. Russ & Daughters is basically well-known for his or her smoked fish. The deli tradition got here from the Jewish inhabitants of New York. However now it has develop into a pattern that has unfold the world over.
How do you construct belief as a cloud kitchen?
I’m very specific about preserving the kitchen tremendous clear, and in addition about ensuring that substances are at their prime. That sense of hygiene was ingrained in me due to all my earlier work locations. Clearly, our meals security legal guidelines usually are not as strict or as strictly enforced over right here in India, as in comparison with New York, however I implement those self same requirements anyway.
How has juggling the roles of chef and enterprise proprietor been for you?
I want I might simply cook dinner and deal with the meals as a result of it might be a lot simpler. Half my time is spent managing individuals, despite the fact that I solely have a group of 9. Simply making an attempt to maintain all of them on monitor and coaching them retains me considerably occupied.
I’m horrible at advertising. In order that’s one other factor that I want I might simply not need to do. I preserve hoping that if my meals is nice sufficient, I received’t need to do any advertising and other people will simply come anyway. And that’s clearly the dream. In New York, you probably have an incredible restaurant, even when it’s a tiny one, the phrase goes to unfold so quick that you simply’ll have queues down the highway. However over right here, I don’t suppose that’s attainable as a result of we’re providing a distinct segment product. Having mentioned that, I’m not essentially making an attempt to achieve a large viewers. I’m simply looking for the suitable individuals who need one thing scrumptious that’s made with care, consideration and good substances.
What ended up being simpler than you thought?
I don’t suppose something has been simpler than I believed. Most issues have been more durable than I believed. Nonetheless, when somebody tries your meals, particularly if it’s a stranger, and tells you that they cherished it, you are feeling good and you’re feeling prefer it’s all been value it.
What’s the excellent order from East seventh Pizza & Deli?
Our menu just isn’t very lengthy as a result of I would like each merchandise to be tremendous scrumptious. A Ray’s Cheese Pizza, our model of a margherita with further buffalo mozzarella and parmesan cheese; a Pork Stomach Bánh mì, which is meaty and spicy; and a lemon cheesecake pudding!
Earlier: Kunal Makhija, Arabisque
Subsequent: Kartikeya Ratan and Rishabh Doshi, Kiki & Pastor
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